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4 March 2021
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From challenge comes change, so this International Women’s Day we’re choosing to challenge. The economic impact of COVID-19 has had a regressive effect on gender equality around the world – leaving women more exposed to job loss and taking on the bulk of childcare responsibilities. Despite this, the pandemic has also been a catalyst for major shifts that will help pave the way for great opportunities and greater gender parity.

In this episode of Talking Property Phil Rowland CEO of CBRE’s Pacific Advisory Business sits down with Diana Mousina, Senior Economist at AMP Capital and Kathy Mac Dermott COO of the Property Council of Australia to discuss the pandemic’s impact on gender equality and how Australia’s property sector is navigating towards an equal tomorrow.



Diana Mousina, Senior Economist, AMP Capital

Diana joined AMP Capital in 2016 as a senior economist within the Investment Strategy and Dynamic Markets team. Diana’s responsibilities include providing global economic and macro investment analysis to retail, institutional and internal customers through her regular “Econosights” reports and presentations.


 Kathy Mac Dermott, Chief Operating Officer, Property Council of Australia

As Chief Operating Officer of the Property Council Kathy leads the commercial operations and member services across the country and the organisation’s diversity initiatives, including being program director of the Property Male Champions of Change (PMCC).


Phil Rowland, Chief Executive Officer, Advisory Services, PacificCBRE

Phil Rowland is the Chief Executive Officer of CBRE’s Pacific Advisory Services business, based in Sydney. In this role, he leads CBRE’s Advisory businesses in Australia and New Zealand, with overall responsibility for Advisory & Transaction Services, Asset Services, Capital Markets, Project Management and Valuations.


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